About Andy Othling (My Story)

I am baffled by how similar our stories are.

I started playing when I was 13, and just recently jumped into the deep end. I’ve been writing and writing, and I know what music I want to make. By myself I play ambient post rock much like yourself, and then I’m also the front man for a punk rock group in Oklahoma. Either one of these making any form of progress would make me the happiest man on earth, but my real passion lies with my ambient stuff because of the fact that I can just sit in my room, and just let it flow.

I too have a military degree in computer networking, and I did work with it for about a year, and decided to get out of the military and pursue music. I’m young, and maybe I got out too early to be self sufficient, but I love the music I write. And I would give anything to have people hear it and appreciate it. You actually inspired me to build my own pedal collection, and these emails and blogs have helped me understand how you did it, and how I might be able to. Any other advice is more than welcome. Thank you for what you do Andy.

I started playing guitar when I was 11 and worked really hard to improve my skills with my instrument and as a songwriter until I was 18, when I started college. I didn’t get a whole lot of encouragement to pursue music, so I took random classes until an English degree took shape. I stopped working so hard on the music.

I got married right after I graduated, and it was over two years before my wife knew that I had actually been passionate about music at one point — my guitars spent most of their time in the closet, and I had only recorded a handful of things since we’d met. I had a terrible job at the time, and it wore me down hard, to the point where I told her I either needed to make music a priority, or get rid of all my gear, because keeping everything around and not using it only made things worse.

She made me record something, then told me I wasn’t allowed to quit because it would be bad for everyone if I stopped making music. She’s a huge fan of everything I do, and while I suspect there may be some bias in play, it’s extremely encouraging.

I did eventually get a better job at a wonderful company (I’m a programmer by day), but I understand the feeling of being in someone else’s dream job. I’ve been working a lot harder for the last couple of years (I’m 28 now) and trying to figure out what, exactly, I’d like to do with music. I like singing and playing guitar, but I also like messing around with synthesizers and doing instrumental stuff. Not sure if I want to start a band or try to compose video game soundtracks. Perhaps both someday.

Andy, im writing you from Mexico City, at this moment im in the point of not enjoy the job and became stressfull for not be in the music. All your words, post, guides have been the key for return to it again.

THANK YOU!

I’m kinda in that “stuck in a rut” area right now. I’m in a few different “bands” but none of them are going anywhere. My favorite (and the oldest) of them is called One4All. It started with just me making the music with virtual drum plugins and a low quality DAW to record my guitars and bass and a buddy of mine doing vocals. We’ve got some stuff recorded that we’re really really proud of, but no one hears it. We suck at promoting I suppose, haha! But we finally got a band together and are training up to start doing shows. So that’s exciting.

But I feel like my songwriting isn’t going anywhere. I keep chunking out the same old stuff.

However, I too have wrestled with the idea of trying to make a living with a music degree. But last semester, I finally decided to go for it. I’m finishing my A.A this semester and going to a 4-year university in the fall to pursue a degree in music. And I think God’s got a plan for me there. The worship leader in my church just offered me an internship working on behind-the-scenes stuff with him and has said that he wants me to start leading on Sunday mornings for our church of over 1000.

So I suppose the best thing I can do is keep pursuing my passion and honoring God with it and trust that He’s got something out there that for which a music degree will be helpful.

Like you, I started learning how to play guitar when I was 11 years old, and after about 2 months of lessons and practice, I was able to play through a 4-chord church song, and I have been hooked ever since. I am now 22 years old, and these past 5 years of my life have been consumed with the dream of being a full time musician. I have been in multiple bands that have lasted anywhere from 9 months to 2 years, but the music wasn’t always what I had in mind as far as the creativity I needed to get out there.
In May of 2011, I literally sold all i had(excluding some music equipment) and moved from Grand Rapids MN to Phoenix AZ with the drummer of my previous band to start a new band with his older brother. I was excited to move halfway across the country, and experience a new surrounding with new opportunities! Sadly, in the year I lived in Phoenix, my band mates and I never collectively wrote any music together, which was very frustrating and caused me to consider the thought of writing my own music… And that’s when I found Lowercase Noises on Last.fm radio! I searched you on Youtube and was shocked to find that it was only you producing this music, and as far as I was concerned, you were “making it”.
After seeing that a solo project was very possible, I decided to move back to MN to pursue writing my own music, around the people that influenced me the most. I have tried forming one more band since returning to MN, but again I realized how difficult it is to find people with the same goals in mind.
You are a wonderful inspiration to me, and I appreciate the time you take to give people like me advice, and share your own experiences and creativity with us.
Thank you for all that you do, Andy!

Great post, Andy! It’s just what I needed really… I grew up in a non-musical family and it was always a really hard thing to discuss with my family the idea of supporting myself as a musician. It can be discouraging when the people closest to you just don’t understand the desire to do something like that. I have many musical friends, but they have “normal” jobs and treat music as just a hobby. I want something more than that. I play bass at a church nearly every week, and I love it, it’s a great musical outlet from a performing perspective. It’s a free gig though but I don’t mind, but I really want to make a living doing what I love. When it came to music at home, I felt like I was constantly in a rut. I know the kind of music I love and want to make (Ambient), but it’s always such a struggle. Just like you mentioned in your blog, I had (and still have) many ideas, recorded ones, but that’s all they were, Ideas. I couldn’t figure out how to make these ideas into full songs! I am making progress though. I’m learning not to get overwhelmed by all the options that come with recording. I’m setting limits on myself and trying not to be so deadly serious about if it sounds perfect. Everything you have been sharing in your blogs has been a huge help. I’m trying to follow your example, weither it be producing content on youtube, or taking the advice you give through your blogs and I feel it’s really helping. My dream is to be able to share my music with everyone and support myself with it. I still have a long way to go and a lot of work to do. There are days I still get discouraged, but it is so comforting to know that even artists who I respect and admire go through the same troubles as me. Thanks for being a cool dude, Andy. Thanks for going out of your way to help others with this crazy music thing. I look forward to more blogs and music from you!

Hey Andy, Seriously thanks so much for this post! It spoke to me on so many levels. I didn’t start playing guitar until I graduated High School. I was in band all through JH and HS and loved music. I picked up the guitar with no desire to make a living with it, just wanted to continue playing music in some way. I picked it up extremely fast and started to get the desire to play for a living over time. It was until about 3-4 months ago I realized that I wanted to do this full time. I will be graduated college with a degree in Mathematics this May. I could honestly find a great job that pays extremely well like you had but just like you said I wouldn’t be happy and I wouldn’t have any joy in doing so. When I graduate I’ll be pursuing a career in music. I don’t know what all that actually means quite yet but I know it’s extremely exciting and extremely nerve racking at the same time. Not only will I be graduating and moving on to the “real world” but I’ll also be getting married 3 weeks after graduation. I know I have a duty to provide for my wife. I don’t know what type of job I’ll be getting after college but I know it probably won’t be a “career” type job because I know how much time that will consume and take away from my possibilities in music.

My dream and my desire is to play with a band or 2 and do a lot of session recording. I would also like to be able to record/mix/produce at some point in time. I’m not sure how you can help me any more than your website already has, I know that there’s a lot of this journey that’s up to me. You can’t put me in the situation I need to be in, You can’t make me a better guitar player, You can’t make me have the correct personality and be easy to work with. That’s up to me. However, You’re website has been a huge help and I love reading your blog posts. I always get a lot out of them. I’ve actually started up a YouTube channel mainly to keep myself accountable to trying to write and continue to get better at my craft.

Thanks a lot for what you do man!

-Clint

As a High School Junior, this post gives me a lot of hope for my future as a musician. I have had similar thoughts, that my musical passion would be an aside to my eventual career (as yet to be determined). And yet, partially thanks to your advice over the past year or so, my band and I are about to record our first album, which is simultaneously exhilarating and nerve-racking. Thank you, Andy, for your advice and your inspiration. Keep it up; I know I will be.

Gosh, I’m in the boat right now. Not too sure how to promote myself. I’m 23, I’ve been writing since I was 15. I took piano lessons at the age of 9 and then learned how to play the guitar. Since I started writing, I knew music was something I’ve wanted to pursue as my career, not just a hobby. I’ve never raised enough money to be able to record or buy the equipment I need to record on my own, though, I’ve been producing crappy demos since I started writing. I had some major health problems, making it impossible to work.

However, within the last year, I’ve changed my diet, started working out and have been regaining my health. So I’m on the road to trying to record now, again, and trying to make enough money to be able to record, as well, as support myself. It’s been a very winding road and has taken patience. I have a ton of material that I’m ready to record so I can release proper recordings of it. Most notably, I participated in 7in7, which is a community of songwriters, who all sign up to buckle down for a week to write, record and post a song a day, for that one week.

I found out a lot about myself as a musician during that time and have walked away from it being much more confident in my musicianship. I also love that you’re so willing to help others. I’m not only passionate about my music, I promote my favorite bands to people all the time. I’m not paid for it, but if I find great music, I tell people. Why keep that a secret when it is so good? I’m always showing people my favorite stuff, the stuff that has touched me the most or influenced me greatly.

Thanks for even being interested in doing this. Not a lot of people are this interested in helping fellow musicians out. I have a friend who’s worked with quite a few big name bands, doing strings for them and whatnot, and he said that the only way he has made a living is because of being hired for strings. It was a little discouraging to hear, because I would love to make a living doing something that I love, it just doesn’t seem feasible most of the time. So again, thanks for this post. I definitely need it.

My story is different than yours. I was poor as a child and could never afford to have an instrument. I only picked up the guitar a few years ago because while I loved music I felt captivated since all I could do was sing it and not create. But my life is the calling of a missionary. I live in Lawrence, KS where I helped to plant a church, but I travel all over the world preaching and sometimes singing the story of Jesus.

Now a days, music has become a personal passion more than a professional pursuit, but I want to use my musical talent to share my heart with others, and make money to fund the missions.

I know that people do not naturally want to give, they want to get, so if I can produce music that people like, then they will buy it and I can use the profit to pay for plane tickets and building materials, and resources for the churches and pastors there. the problem is that I don’t have the gear needed to do a decent recording, so pray for me. I have dreams, and thoughts, and plans, but more than that I want to be honest and obedient to the Calling of God.

I created an instrumental album at noisetrade.com/holdonholdon
I’ve been thrilled at the response and publicity, but for my future releases, is there a way to receive both publicity as well as monetary compensation? I feel like it’s usually one or the other…

Thank you, Andy. I related to a lot of what you said here. Where I’m at could be summed up best when you said, “I got stuck. I couldn’t finish anything.” There are a hand-ful of songs (about 8 or 9 – all unfinished of course) that have meant a lot to me of there past 5 years. Bits and pieces of songs that sort of just happened during very pivotal points in life. Every time I sit down to work on them, I get stuck. I can’t just make it work, so I just tinker around for a while and decide to give up. I’ve thought pretty seriously a few times over the past year about just selling all of my music stuff (guitar, amp, lots of pedals, drums) and moving on. About 6 months ago, I got used to telling people that I “used to be a musician.” It makes me sad, but I’m happy to know that I’m not alone and that maybe it takes time, determination, and a lot of hard work to make things happen sometimes.

The music I wish to finish means a lot to me. I realize a lot of people have said similar things but perhaps you have something for me also. Thanks.

One of the things that I find quite overwhelmed by is all the terminology and jargon that comes with making music on a computer… software like Logic and pretty much all DAWs are so big and complex, it seems unfathomable from the outset.

How did you ever overcome this seeming Everest of a an obstacle?

Andy, First off, thank you for your work. I can tell it’s all from the heart that you are working to inspire so many people in situations similar to yours. I’m 33, was in local bands in Minneapolis for about a decade, got a recording degree, and now I’m a Music Director at a church (think rock band not choir and organ) and a Music student at the U of M pursuing a career in Ethnomusicology(Essentially, anthropology of Music). I’m also married and we hope to have a child soon. What struck me is how you described music needing to come out of you. I have been struggling with that for a while. There’s SO much I want to do that when I sit down to work on it I get overwhelmed and frustrated because of the pace of life. I make small strides here and there but finishing a song seems impossible. Thanks for related your similar problems to us! It’s very motivating to see you out there doing it, and so well! I wanted to ask you about the dynamics of being a father, congratulations by the way, a husband and a dedicated musician. That has to be a juggling act and as I try to pursue my passion for music and intention to continue writing for personal reasons, it seems like an uphill battle given the dedication it takes to being a husband and a father. How do you do it? What advice might you have? Again, I’m truly grateful to have found this community and I wish you all the best moving ahead with your courageous new pursuits!

I have a question. Why Dont You write lyrics to your songs? And if you do Why dont you record them on your albums?

Thank you for inspiring me to dive back into music.

I had dreams of being a professional drummer since I was in 5th grade. My parents bought me a drum set, and I started to learn on my own, practicing 4 hours a day minimum. Not being from a very musical family, they were very understanding and didn’t complain. During the same period, I taught myself guitar. I began studio drumming on various small projects, and at 23 was in a band, sponsored by a custom drum company, and signed to an indie label with distribution through universal republic. I even got a job at the recording studio the label owned, and marketed for the studio, was a runner, and eventually got to sit in on sessions. I had accomplished my dream.

In short, the “Dream” wasn’t everything I thought it would be. I was locked into a contract that stated I could not record for anyone under another label, and even when recording for someone at the indie my split was only 11% – A far cry from the $150 per track I was making as an independent. The contract also limited the band to what they could record, when they could perform, how much money could be made from performances, etc. The label recorded the album and shelved it. They did not schedule any shows for us, and we were not allowed to schedule our own. We literally had to wait out the contract to be able to enjoy our music again. It was a long 18 months. I could have started going to college at this point, but had given all my time to my dream. At the time it seemed like a sure thing, I was signed, right?

18 months later, the band’s morale was way down. No cd was ever released, and we split. I was extremely disappointed. My drums sat in their touring cases for 7 months in my house and I had no desire to even look at them. I kept playing guitar, though. I moved to an apartment a few months later and sold the drums, and used the money for more recording gear. I really don’t think I would want to join a band again and tour around. Especially with my wife going through chemotherapy. I’ve been making music for myself for a while now, and recently gave a CD to a few family members and friends. They are all adamant that i publish it, so I will be putting it up on itunes soon (Through TuneCore). I’ve sold some here as custom tracks for web videos for around $400 each, but those projects are few and far between.

You have inspired me to jump into this full-force and try to make a sustainable living out of it. I have been working at a bank for years and hate the job. Every day is a motivational struggle to get out of bed and go to work. Your story has given me hope. Thank you!

Andy — hope you remember me, we spoke via email. I read your story and it is interesting because I, too, am a software engineer. Unlike you, though, I do love the work (most of the time) mostly because it is an artistic outlet. A few years ago I wanted to get another electric guitar after not playing for years. Way too many years. My first was a 70′s Fender that I sold and got an acoustic when I entered college.

My music only spanned the breadth of other artists but I always added my own twists or approach to performing them. Playing a rock song on acoustic and keeping an audience happy is a trick.

I graduated college and found that the neck to my guitar needed straightening. But it warped so badly it would break if I fixed it. It was a Gibson and would be worth thousands today but it went to a guy in the shop for $50 and that was the end of my guitar days.

Years later and now I’m back. Your music gave me a direction that these older fingers could more easily handle and now I”m working on getting my callouses back. I just got my reverb peddle yesterday and this weekend I begin on the work for my six-song work. I’m sure that it will be hard and I’ll get stuck but I have the internet and poeple like you and Mark to inspire me. I doubt I’ll make much in the way of income, but if I ever do, the first thing I’m doing is opening an effects pedal account for my blue sky peddle. Yeehaw.

I just hope I don’t drive you nuts with questions down the road.

Hey…So, here is my story. I started out playing piano at a very young age. Eventually, I felt guitar was cooler and made the switch. When my first band couldn’t find a bass player, I decided to switch. I played bass in many bands over the years. They were mostly power pop/ punk bands and one even came close to a record deal with a major label. After that, life took over and I moved away from music for awhile and even sold off most of my gear. However, I kept writing and playing on my own. I eventually discovered that I could use my computer to record music. After fumbling around and getting the basics, I started recording some ambient inspired post rock music under the name Magnetic. My original idea was to record strictly ambient synth music, like Brian Eno. However, my roots in rock always seemed to take over and the music became more structured and made use of more typical rock instrumentation. However, everything was still synth/ sample based. When ever I tried recording live instruments, I was never satisfied with the results. So, now I am at a cross roads. I want to start bringing live instruments back into my creations so I am looking to expand my skills and learn to play better and capture my sounds better.

It seems my comment disappeared! Your story definitely resonates with me, as I too am in IT but don’t really consider it my “passion”.

I’ve been playing guitar for about 13 years now, but didn’t take my first lesson until last year. It was astonishing how quickly some foundational theory accelerated my playing – it makes me wish I’d started them years ago. Playing live with talented musicians and a few studio sessions have been very enlightening, as well.

I’ll be keeping an eye on your blog, and maybe I’ll run into you somewhere since we’re both in Albuquerque!

well we are all similar l guess cut form the same cloth , l am currently studying graphic design and this is my second year in my degree and l always had a desire to be a guitarist and a musician and since l could remember l have heard sounds and melodies in my head and l have always wanted to be able to translate them into reality.

l went to Australia 2 years ago and had an internship at Citipointe church brisbane and got to see some of things they do when recording and how they run their worship and l got to live and work with full time musicians and then l knew that graphic design wasn’t the career for me, now two years down the line l stumble across the little gems that you have been dropping and l played a few big gigs and l want more l wanna bring out the sounds i have in my head l wanna finish my music l wanna be true to what l feel god put in my hands.

p.s it’s strange how we all wanna work with computers and software.

My Story like most other guitar players is one of growth, change, and finding who you are musically. I’ve been playing since I was about 14. Started to heavily get into not just knowing technique but everything guitar has in general. Over the past two years been building my gear collection. Like most things though building has been costing alot of Presidential flash cards. It’s well worth it though. Really trying to build my gear as much as I can before I take the plunge and go to the Hillsong International Leadership College in about a year and half for Worship music. Not sure what all that will have for me there but I know it’s all part of God’s plan. You’re a awesome inspiration though Andy and have given a lot of valuable insight. I’m very thankful and blessed. Thank you.

I am glad I found your site. I experience many of the same frustrations as you did early on. Played for years, got frustrated, quit playing for a decade and now starting again. Have real issues recording my stuff. Always fragmented. Many mistakes. Always eats away at my confidence. I am hoping you can give me some ideas how to move things forward. Not trying to make a living at it, just want to get my music heard. I would like to think I have something useful to share. Paul
https://soundcloud.com/reverseapachemaster

I started playing piano in 5th grade when my parents forced me into lessons. I hated it. I told them that I wanted to play guitar and they told me they’d buy me one upon completing a certain amount of piano lessons. They bought me a guitar a few months later and I took lessons for the for about 2 months but it didn’t go anywhere. I wasn’t ready to play at this time in my life. A few years later, around the end of 7th grade, I learned “The Song of Storms” from the Legend of Zelda by watching youtube tutorials and continued to learn tons of video game, r&b, and hip-hop songs. In High School, I immediately wanted to play keyboard in a band. I met my lead guitarist and best friend in the first Jazz Band meeting of the year and asked if he was down to play together. He told me he wanted me to learn to play rhythm guitar and I picked it up rather quickly, being ready to play a cover of “Say It Ain’t So” by Weezer in the next month. Our band would take many transformations from there and we finally got our dream set of members. Had 4 wonderfully talented musicians and a great singer and we wrote some pretty cool songs under the name Animolia(you can hear our old stuff at http://www.reverbnation.com/animolia). I had fallen in love with guitar and decided to start another band as a lead guitarist, writing most of the music myself. Eventually Alex quit Animolia after a few years of working together due to the problems any band will bring forth. I cried for the whole day after that, heartbroken. It was then that I took on the role of lead guitarist in Animolia and really got put out front doing a lot of difficult things that I wasn’t used to. It was a really good experience for me, but it didn’t last long. Adam, our lead singer, quit the band a few months later and we disbanded as a whole. However, this was really what got us all in the music world, our commitment and determination to make music we loved. 3 of us are studying music in college and Adam is creating a following writing and producing his own music as a solo act. I am currently working on 2 EPs (One more experimental, the other more ambient rock like Andy’s) and a collaboration album(which will hopefully be up under my name “Partying On Other Planets” in the next few months). I got obsessed with pedals due to my influences: Alex from the band, Andy Othling, John Frusciante of RHCP, and Radiohead. I wanted to be crazy good at guitar, but it wasn’t long before I discovered that I wanted to ditch virtuosity and focus on writing songs that expressed my emotions and were produced well. I’m getting better with every recording, but I still feel unsatisfied with the majority of those recordings. My song writing has advanced so far and I’ve also taken up singing, getting into UCSC’s University Concert Choir was a big step for me in that direction. I hope one day to be able to go on tour around the world and have people listen that want to hear my music and the message in it. I want people to know the meaning behind music.

For the past couple of years, i have been in love with ambient music and post-rock. But the band i was in had no interest in playing in that style. I had planned to launch my own solo project but i really didn’t know where to begin. Last month i was rather unceremoniously kicked from my band so now i have the creative time to put into my own music. First thing i did was purchase an audio interface and some recording software, now i just need to put what i hear in my head down onto the tracks. Music is always a career i wanted but from three years in that band i realise that the industry (especially in the UK is pretty toxic). I feel that going at it alone may well be my best bet. Yourself and Christoffer Franzen of lights & motion have inspired me to just go ahead and do it.

Yet another Andrew/Andy here I’m a Church/Worship guitarist, rather than an aspiring artist. I signed up for this because the whole art of structuring/composing and recording fascinates me. And I

I started playing guitar at 16, back then my main influence was the Edge, so from the very start I was addicted to delay units and pedals. Then I was 18, a friend played me Shine On… from A Delicate Sound of Thunder, and when I heard Gilmours ethereal strings bending over that synth pad, I heard what a guitar should sound like, the sound I’d always had in my head.

So you can see where my love of ambient guitar comes from. I found Andy/Lowercase Noises on You Tube, along with Karl Verkade/Passenger95, and have spent a small fortune replacing my Boss ME50 with a PT2 and various niceties.

I’m looking forward to continuing with you all along this journey, with Andy at the helm

Well…not a long story short…in third grade I started taking piano lessons, did that for 3 years and everyone who ever heard me kept saying I was a prodigy, that I had a big future in music. I quit piano right before Jr. High so I could take up playing football…like all of my really “cool-kid” friends. Soon after I started playing football my dad (a long time drummer) offered to start up some family drum lessons. So we grabbed a drum set and spent 5 years running through snare and drum set theory…we eventually ran out of time and resources to really keep moving forward once I got into High School (Jr. High was actually 6-8 grade.) In 8th grade, I quit playing football for my homeschool cover group so I could try out guitar lessons. My first lesson was an ACDC chord chart on an acoustic guitar that one of my friend’s older brothers had on him at the time. We sat down and he taught me four chords. Em, G, A, and D…I picked up those four chords and started taking from a local guitar player. After a year of learning licks, blues scales, standard scales, and all kinds of songs, my instructor felt called to move to Finland. Once he left, I spent a year exhausting all of GuitarTricks.com’s resources, took a 6 month break to just learn songs by using tabs.
Then one of my best friends told me he was taking lessons from a head guitar guy at our church…and that he was looking for another student. So I signed up at the end of my 9th grade year. I’ve been taking lessons from the guitar guy for almost an entire year now (since I’m coming up on my senior year in high school). Writing songs has always come naturally…I just doodle on an instrument and stuff starts to happen. Recently I’ve started using GarageBand on my iPad to record songs…and now I want some real quality recording gear so I can get better dynamics and allow me to put together a song with more than just 7 total tracks. I hope to graduate college with a degree in Business Administration so I can begin working with churches in the US and UK, while managing the production of my own music.

Well Andy,

I can truly say that we both share a passion for music. I really love your story and find it to be fascinating while yet encouraging. Truth is I have had many opportunities to work with celebrities like P Diddy and the list goes on. I have also been very fortunate to land some jingles for Dodge Durango and Kmart, making up to 30k in 30 seconds. I have an 11 year old son of whom I care for deeply and I stopped a high pursuit of the music business to spend quality time with him to ensure that he is reared properly.

I chose to be a Father instead of completely going after my dreams. However, songwriting is still a very deep passion of mine of which I still wish to pursue faithfully but only this time I want to be more strategic about doing it. I have stories of driving to New York City from Detroit, Michigan through blizzards to meet with A&R reps only to stay in New York for that day as my finances would not allow me to grab a hotel. I truly know what it means to be a “starving artist”.

I have a great catalogue of music that needs to be heard and like yourself I want to benefit financially from it. I don’t have cameras to make Youtube videos and I can not afford to pay anyone to film me at this time. I will ask if you have any suggestions at this point as to how I can began building my fan base and getting the music out there? I noticed in your toolkit there was a section about kickstart and I would like to know more about that. Well have a good one Andy and I hope to hear from you soon!